Two Priests on the Patio

This Podcast explores areas in which the sacred meets the scientific, and soul-deep questions find space to breathe. The Reverend Canon Sue-Ann Ward and The Venerable Jeff Ward are Anglican priests and partners in life.  In conversation with Che Merville, the “Two Priests” explore questions that matter - about purpose, belonging, and the wonder of being alive. This podcast invites you into honest, heartfelt conversations at the intersection of spirituality and science. Whether you’re a seeker, a skeptic, or simply spiritually curious, there’s room for you here. Come as you are. Each conversation explores how awakening plays out in real life: through trauma, love, leadership, ministry, service, and doubt. Listeners will experience intimate, vulnerable storytelling and practical guidance for awakening their own spiritual capacity.

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Episodes

Friday Oct 31, 2025

In this episode of Two Priests on the Patio, host Che Marville continues the journey with Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore how this podcast came to be and the origins of "Two Priest on the Patio". 
Drawing on inspiration from Dr. Lisa Miller's groundbreaking work "The Awakened Brain" and John Fugelsang's book "Separation of Church and Hate"
Whether you're in the wilderness or on the path back to yourself, you are not alone.
Peace and blessings to you.
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1541 Oakhill Drive, Oakville, ON L6J 1Y6
Church: 905-844-6200
 
www.stcuthbertoakville.ca
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Saturday Aug 30, 2025

Inspired by The Awakened Brain by Dr. Lisa Miller
 
In this soul-stirring episode of The Awakening with Two Priests,  Hosted by Reverend Canon Sue Anne Ward and Venerable Jeff Ward have a robust conversation inspired by Chapter 14 of Lisa Miller’s The Awakened Brain.
Together, they explore the sacred practice of awakened attention and the art of listening for the divine voice within us amid the chaos of modern life. From the story of Walter and his spiritual awakening through the guidance of Howard Thurman, to reflections on synchronicity, setbacks, mental health, and the healing power of nature, this episode offers both comfort and clarity.
You’ll hear intimate reflections on:
The difference between the achieving mind and the listening soul
How setbacks can redirect us toward a truer purpose
The spiritual power of community and presence
Meditation and prayer as everyday disciplines for inner peace
Lisa Miller’s “Three Doors” practice to transform closed doors into sacred invitations
This episode is a reminder that God often speaks in the stillness, and that when we slow down and pay attention, we might just hear the whisper of love, purpose, and awakening.
 
Peace and blessings to you.St Cuthbert's Anglican Church1541 Oakhill Drive, Oakville, ON L6J 1Y6Church: 905-844-6200Cell: 905-617-9717www.stcuthbertoakville.caCalled to Life   Compelled to Love

Saturday Aug 16, 2025

In this third episode of The Awakening with The Wards, host Che Marville continues the journey with Reverend Canon Sue Ann Ward and the Venerable Jeff Ward to explore how depression, despair, and even Loneliness can be doorways to more profound awakening.
 
Drawing from Dr. Lisa Miller's groundbreaking work The Awakened Brain, the conversation boldly addresses how the darker seasons of life, especially during midlife or transition, can guide us toward spiritual breakthroughs. Together, they examine the tension between achieving awareness and awakened awareness, and how society's obsession with performance often blinds us to our true purpose and peace.
 
This episode is a lifeline for anyone navigating sadness, isolation, or spiritual questioning. With vulnerability and wisdom, the trio speaks to the soul's innate need for connection, meaning, and love.
Topics Include:
Is depression always clinical, or can it be spiritual?
Why midlife despair might be a sacred invitation
The difference between achieving awareness and awakened awareness
How altruism and service can heal us from within
The relationship between forgiveness, compassion, and deep love
What to do when you feel disconnected from faith or community
Why spiritual practice isn't "woo" it's wired into us
"God is our relationship."
  Jeff & Sueanne
Whether you're in the wilderness or on the path back to yourself, you are not alone.
 
Peace and blessings to you.St Cuthbert's Anglican Church1541 Oakhill Drive, Oakville, ON L6J 1Y6Church: 905-844-6200Cell: 905-617-9717www.stcuthbertoakville.caCalled to Life   Compelled to Love

Saturday Aug 02, 2025

In this deeply contemplative episode of The Awakening with The Wards, your host, Che Marville, is joined once again by the Venerable Jeff Ward and Reverend Canon Sue Anne Ward. Together, they explore the essence of prayer not just as ritual, but as a path to inner awakening and divine relationship.
 
What if you're already spiritual, just not religious? In this week's episode of The Awakening with The Wards, we talk about prayer, purpose, and why the soul needs connection now more than ever.
 
 
Grounded in the work of Dr. Lisa Miller's The Awakened Brain, the conversation uncovers how spiritual connection is not a luxury but a biological necessity, especially in a world marked by loneliness, anxiety, and disconnection.
 
From the origins of prayer to the power of ritual in mental health, and from the compassionate nature of the Gospels to the role of clergy in today's divided world, this episode offers a sanctuary of insight and presence. Whether you're new to faith, estranged from it, or a lifelong believer, this is a conversation that welcomes you precisely as you are.
 
 
Topics:
What prayer truly is and what it's not
Why even atheists cry out to God in crisis
How the Gospels speak differently to us depending on life experience
The difference between spirituality and religion
How to begin again when faith feels distant
Why acts of altruism are spiritual medicine
 
Come for the theology, stay for the spiritual nourishment.
Peace and blessings to you.St Cuthbert's Anglican Church1541 Oakhill Drive, Oakville, ON L6J 1Y6Church: 905-844-6200Cell: 905-617-9717www.stcuthbertoakville.caCalled to Life   Compelled to Love

Saturday Jul 26, 2025

We are introducing a new series called Awakening with the Wards, it is inspired by the work of Dr. Lisa Miller, and we are using her book, The Awakened Brain, to look at the relationship between spirituality and science. Our mission is to help and serve through the Christian faith.
 
Peace and blessings to you.
 

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